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Post by rw16610 on Mar 20, 2015 18:47:34 GMT -6
Yeah I do remember seeing a video some time back of the Audemars Piguet CEO (François-Henry Bennahmias) mentioning how he saw a lot of people on his trip to Ibiza wearing white watches. Ulysse Nardin made one YEARS back and Audemars Piguet caught on soon enough. To me, this is one white watch I would certainly wear! From - horbiter.com Source on image From - ap.watchprosite.com It's really big but the way it's designed just seems to work... These types of watches seem to represent a very small segment of the overall watch market. I think Chip hit the nail directly on the head earlier. I'm confident time will support what he said. I know the Asian and Middle Eastern markets are all about the higher end pieces. People wanting the best of the best (most expensive) pieces possible to differentiate themselves. Once they start creeping up on the $7,000+ USD mark a lot of folks might just opt for the next best thing (a brand higher up on the food chain). My Seiko's and G-Shock etc get the job done well for me, not to mention I enjoy the heck out of them. When it comes to spending the big bucks on a piece I need what companies like Rolex and Audemars Piguet offer sadly.
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Post by iceman on Mar 21, 2015 9:35:41 GMT -6
It's official, the CFO likes the white speedy. Now if Omega isn't too full of themselves when it is released, maybe there will be another incoming. Agree with all about the company, but do you know what? As long as people are buying them in their repackaged format, Omega will keep tossing out the variants. Works with every business. And other than price, is Rolex really a better brand mechanically or do they have marketing so down to an ultra fine science that the public salivates at their ads, videos, promotional merchandise, and other various sundry bullsh*t? Totally agree with what your saying about the "Rolex" brand. They have been very cleaver over the last 10-15 yrs in the way they have pushed the brand. It's the way of the world, we're a brand name becomes more important than the actual items they make and sell. This helps push prices up in the new & second hand market. Makes buying a Rolex a wise investment even if not the best product for the price. The worst part of all we become suckers for the brand.
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Post by Baco Noir on Mar 21, 2015 10:14:17 GMT -6
And other than price, is Rolex really a better brand mechanically or do they have marketing so down to an ultra fine science that the public salivates at their ads, videos, promotional merchandise, and other various sundry bullsh*t? Totally agree with what your saying about the "Rolex" brand. They have been very cleaver over the last 10-15 yrs in the way they have pushed the brand. It's the way of the world, we're a brand name becomes more important than the actual items they make and sell. This helps push prices up in the new & second hand market. Makes buying a Rolex a wise investment even if not the best product for the price. The worst part of all we become suckers for the brand. Not ALL of us. I tend to avoid the brand because of their marketing to the masses and many of the pompous owners (none here) that flaunt them purely as status symbols, which you generally don't see with Omega owners or other high end brands for that matter. Plus those other high end brands just don't have the name recognition to the general public, which I prefer. While you can't beat the resale value of a Rolex, liquidity if you need a quick salem and the quality is excellent, the reasons stated are why I no longer own one.
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Post by iceman on Mar 21, 2015 10:34:48 GMT -6
All of us was a general statement Roger, totally agree with you about some owners etc. That's the reason I love the Sub ND, you get a Rolex but to the average person it just looks like a sports watch. I'm a sucker for some brands, you only have to go through my wardrobe:-) just the way some brands are pushed is very clever.
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Post by Baco Noir on Mar 21, 2015 10:49:10 GMT -6
All of us was a general statement Roger, totally agree with you about some owners etc. That's the reason I love the Sub ND, you get a Rolex but to the average person it just looks like a sports watch. I'm a sucker for some brands, you only have to go through my wardrobe:-) just the way some brands are pushed is very clever. True - the lack of cyclops helps the ND go under the radar better. And there are quite a few Rolex models that I love, but at this point in my life I just can't see myself with one. Although the new RG YM does make me drool in the photos. Uggh, I'm conflicted. As Chip said the other day, I could flip the AP and Panerai to get the new YM, but I just don't see myself doing that. It's not as versatile as those two.
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Post by iceman on Mar 21, 2015 10:51:46 GMT -6
All of us was a general statement Roger, totally agree with you about some owners etc. That's the reason I love the Sub ND, you get a Rolex but to the average person it just looks like a sports watch. I'm a sucker for some brands, you only have to go through my wardrobe:-) just the way some brands are pushed is very clever. True - the lack of cyclops helps the ND go under the radar better. And there are quite a few Rolex models that I love, but at this point in my life I just can't see myself with one. Although the new RG YM does make me drool in the photos. Uggh, I'm conflicted. As Chip said the other day, I could flip the AP and Panerai to get the new YM, but I just don't see myself doing that. It's not as versatile as those two. My personal view you'd be crazy to flip those 2 for that, but I'm not a fan of it. It's nice but would rather have the choice of the 2
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Post by Baco Noir on Mar 21, 2015 10:56:16 GMT -6
True - the lack of cyclops helps the ND go under the radar better. And there are quite a few Rolex models that I love, but at this point in my life I just can't see myself with one. Although the new RG YM does make me drool in the photos. Uggh, I'm conflicted. As Chip said the other day, I could flip the AP and Panerai to get the new YM, but I just don't see myself doing that. It's not as versatile as those two. My personal view you'd be crazy to flip those 2 for that, but I'm not a fan of it. It's nice but would rather have the choice of the 2 I wouldn't make that flip either. While the numbers work, I'd lose variety and RG limits when and where I would wear it compared to those two.
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Post by rw16610 on Mar 21, 2015 14:21:07 GMT -6
I'm just glad to hear Roger has no plans on selling his Audemars Piguet piece!
I respect the fact Omega offers variety in a way a lot of other brands don't. Something for everyone I guess. Maybe one of these days I'll better understand it.
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Post by iceman on Mar 22, 2015 3:27:50 GMT -6
Must say I do like the vintage black
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Post by vincent65 on Mar 22, 2015 6:58:41 GMT -6
Desperation.. They are lost and are trying to find out what sticks. this
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Post by rxpete on Mar 22, 2015 8:42:50 GMT -6
Totally agree with what your saying about the "Rolex" brand. They have been very cleaver over the last 10-15 yrs in the way they have pushed the brand. It's the way of the world, we're a brand name becomes more important than the actual items they make and sell. This helps push prices up in the new & second hand market. Makes buying a Rolex a wise investment even if not the best product for the price. The worst part of all we become suckers for the brand. Not ALL of us. I tend to avoid the brand because of their marketing to the masses and many of the pompous owners (none here) that flaunt them purely as status symbols, which you generally don't see with Omega owners or other high end brands for that matter. Plus those other high end brands just don't have the name recognition to the general public, which I prefer. While you can't beat the resale value of a Rolex, liquidity if you need a quick salem and the quality is excellent, the reasons stated are why I no longer own one. This is exactly why it took so long for me to pull the tigger on my sub a few years ago. I finally was able to find an AD to sell on at 20% off with no tax. At that price it was cheaper than what the used ones were selling for so I took a chance. I'm happy I did. It's a great watch, but I still don't feel comfortable wearing in certain situations like work.
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Post by rxpete on Mar 22, 2015 8:47:52 GMT -6
Desperation.. They are lost and are trying to find out what sticks. this It's amazing how quickly opinions change. A few years ago, people thought omega was doing everything right with the new movements and models, whereas Rolex was just increasing prices with no improvements. I still like omega. My PO is awesome and I'd love to add a speedy. Even the "piepan" I made fun of in the other thread for looking like a Rolex with its bezel is growing on me.
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Post by katgirl on Mar 26, 2015 20:27:23 GMT -6
Just today, I had a long conversation with my Omega guy, and he is appalled at what Omega is doing. He just saw the price list for the new models, and is upset. His clientele are watch folks, like us, and they like Omega because they are stylish, high quality and used to be much more affordable than Rolex. He was also upset at their making the Speedy so pricey with its new presentation, designed simply to push the price up. If you do want a Speedy he had stockpiled brand new 3570.50s at the old price point, so has them, complete with all the goodies. You can't go into a Boutique and ask for one. They will only sell the new expensively packaged one. Most ADs don't stock up, either, so it will become more difficult to get a brand new 3570.50, unless you go grey market, which is never an option for me , with a brand new high end piece ( Omega, Rolex and Breitling ARE high end, in MY world). We reviewed the new offerings from Omega together, and we both liked the Globemaster, and the white Snoopy Speedy, but were appalled at the prices. The other thing he told me is that Omega is insisting that its ADs carry a lot of gold watches, and he doesn't like that either, because his customers want Stainless steel. They are into watches, not jewelry. As I said before, I think Omega's marketing strategy is going to backfire.
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Post by rw16610 on Mar 26, 2015 21:34:49 GMT -6
One thing I never understood about Omega was the insanely long model numbers for the updated watches. My Seamaster was a 2220.80.00, the Speedmaster you mention is a 3570.50 but what the heck is this? I called 3 AD's in Toronto a few days back to find out the list price of this piece currently. Two of them I was unable to get an answer and the third (the place I got my Seamaster from in 2007) had to take my number and call me back. She asked me the model number and wanted the entire thing. At this point it made me realize how silly it was to have such long model numbers. That'll be the least of their worries now though. Trying to go upmarket is an uphill battle in itself. Chasing after the status symbol toting, high roller clientele will take ages to happen considering the other options available. Anyway, so she called me back like 10 minutes later to say it was $8,800.00 CAD. Not even sure if I would pay $5,000.00 for one used but do like the look of the watch from the above screenshot. They're not cheap to service either and if I'm spending that much it's good having piece of mind that when a new watch catches my eye, my current could be sold in a flash to fund it, without the big hassle I've experienced before.
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