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Post by carl on Dec 4, 2019 15:51:27 GMT -6
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Post by CHIP on Dec 4, 2019 16:10:17 GMT -6
I made a similar post about the same time as you, I’ll delete mine and paste my thought below. It doesn’t work for me. The faux patina is way too faux for my taste, and I can’t say I’ve ever loved Milanese bracelets. I know the omega made ones (and Breitling) are of superb quality, so this dislike might only apply to me. Also, there’s the price. Omega wants 9200 dollars for it, and for that you forego the ceramic bezel and dial of the standard watch (which is almost half the price). You get aluminium bezel and dials which are designed to fade in time and achieve that oh so popular patina look. Whatever. To me they missed the mark, again. Charging you almost double for a lesser watch.
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Post by muckymark on Dec 4, 2019 17:50:32 GMT -6
I like the dial and the bezel design but I'm not a fan of Omega's skeleton hands. It will be interesting to see what the lume colour is in real life. Maybe it will be the same cream/off white as the Pelagos LHD. Price in CDN$ is an eye watering 11,500 on the bracelet. For comparison's sake the new white dial 42mm 300M is 6,500 on the bracelet. Not quite apples-apples as this watch appears to be Ti case and bracelet.
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Post by Baco Noir on Dec 4, 2019 20:20:02 GMT -6
CHIP Totally agree on overdone faux patina. It’s not my thing. But I do love the bracelet.
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Post by CHIP on Dec 4, 2019 20:30:36 GMT -6
CHIP Totally agree on overdone faux patina. It’s not my thing. But I do love the bracelet. I knew you would, since you have a really good one on your Zodiac. Oddly enough I bought all my Apple Watches on Milanese, and I never wore it that way. Too shiny for me. I honestly think that’s my biggest pet peeve with it. I like looking at a Milanese though and I can appreciate the workmanship for sure.
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Post by aerome on Dec 5, 2019 6:58:24 GMT -6
I like the fact that the watch is Titanium. Chip is correct, the lume is a bit overboard and I would prefer something other than the skeleton hands.
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Post by carl on Dec 5, 2019 8:34:14 GMT -6
Whew! When I first started this thread, like CHIP , the watch had just been announced. At first glance, I really loved it but didn’t comment as I wanted to really look at all features and try to make a rational appraisal. Especially since I am neither sensible nor practical when it comes to this hobby. After noticing the price, and finding out from the boutique it will be $11,500cad, I decided to try and rationalize why it costs more than $5000 than the regular ss model with ss bracelet. The price in Canada is $6500cad, which I feel after trying the watch many times is reasonable. Over the years, I found the Bond or 007 models were usually exactly a grand more than the regular model. Again, I felt it justified. And I thought, OK I will accept that titanium is more expensive and apparently more difficult to work with than so, and there is the cost of R&D and developing the new Milanese bracelet, so I will give them another grand. And considering it is not a LE, over time they will more than recoup the costs. So, now we are at a premium of $2000 over the original. I never really cared for anything ceramic on watches, so I even like the idea of the aluminum bezel although it is cheaper. And I love the design elements, including the solid case back with engravings reminiscent of military pieces, and thought I can get over the faux patina as it suits the vintage style of the watch. But, after all this acceptance in my mind, there is still $3000 premium to add! At $8500 we are at the exact price of a Rolex Sub 114060, and I could still swallow that. But $11,500! By now I am comparing it to the IWC Big Pilot, which is $16,200cad, and about $4000 more than what it realistically should be! And we haven’t even added tax yet, which would bring us to $12,800 or almost 13 grand! Then I started to take a look at other photos, on other reviews and on the website. All I can see of the faux patina is that it is far too orange, and there is just too much of it, especially with the large markers and the fact it is on the bezel as well. It is one thing I am tiring of on my Trilogy pieces, and the reason I am selling all but the Railmaster. I have come to rationalize that the faux Tina is just a color, and I have seen instances where I feel it works well, but this Seamaster appears anything but subtle and has far too much orange hue for my liking. If it was toned down to more of a beige or off white I think it could work well. Like the Pelagius LHD of muckymark for example. So, I really love the concept, and the fact there is no date, and the solid case back. But even if the fauxtina was toned down, I still cannot get past the price. I don’t mind paying good money for a watch as long as I am able to justify in my own mind that there is value. And the basic Seamaster 300M, in my mind, does represent fair value, but not this 007 model. Cheers, Carl
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Post by CHIP on Dec 5, 2019 10:13:36 GMT -6
carl take out some justification for the increase, as omega already has the Milanese bracelet for the PloProf. The tooling and R&T was already in the past.
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Post by Baco Noir on Dec 5, 2019 17:38:15 GMT -6
I think the faux patina has to be used sparingly or it looks out of place. Breitling struck the right balance on mine I think, especially with the matte textured dial and matte bezel.
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Post by carl on Dec 6, 2019 10:56:02 GMT -6
Well, as you guys all know, over the years, or decades actually, I have been a staunch supporter of Omega. Even during times when I have started to doubt them myself. One might even say, the most loyal Omega fan on this forum. Lots of it is for the emotional side, watching the Moon Landing with my Dad and my family having worn Omega watches over the years. But one can only turn the other cheek for so long.
This Seamaster 300M 007 Edition is a rip-off to not just me, but to a loyal client base. I just feel I can no longer support the brand. They do make very good watches. But so do other companies. I don’t mind spending good money, but when I feel I am being taken advantage of or ripped off, I have to get out.
The sale of my Trilogy pieces and my FOIS will go a long way to funding another watch, maybe even two or maybe one expensive one. But they will have to be watches where I can see honest value.
Basically, I am done with Omega. I have had tons of fun along the way, but it’s time to move on.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by Baco Noir on Dec 6, 2019 11:26:41 GMT -6
I think they are trying to fill the void left by the Rolex shortage and are pushing the price points to match hopping people will pay it.
I still want a grey side of the moon though.
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Post by muckymark on Dec 6, 2019 14:50:23 GMT -6
I'm inclined to agree with carl One of my wish list Omega's is the Seamaster 300 41mm in Ti with the blue dial and Ti bracelet. The MRSP up here is 10,100. For comparison's sake the LHD is 4,970. Both titanium, both in-house movement, LHD has date complication. Seamaster is rated to 300M and LHD is rated to 500M, BFD no one is diving with these on. LHD includes a rubber strap also. I'm not sure if they both use grade 5 Ti but I believe they do. Both have ceramic bezel. The 300 is polished and brushed whereas the LHD is brushed finish only. 300 has display back, LHD has solid case back with unique ID number. I'm just not sure what the extra 5,130 is bringing to the party. More gas on the fire, the Speedmaster has increased in price almost 1K over the past 4 years since I bought mine. For what? They haven't improved it other than adding a Nato strap and and the bigger suitcase box. I'm not sure that justifies the 6,200 asking price.
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Post by carl on Dec 6, 2019 18:20:04 GMT -6
Yeah muckymark not just the price of the new Seamaster 007, but all these things been adding up in my mind over the past year or so. Not angry, just disappointed. I, too, am really thinking of other things I can do with $11,500. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying I will sell everything, but the option is still very much there for me. I hate always comparing to Rolex, but I have never seen a Rolex in all my years that I thought was over priced. In that I mean not necessarily what I could or could not afford, but in terms of being fair value for my money. And, of course, I am talking original MSRP before after sales on an inflated market. I won't even get into that, I still believe that Rolex basically has a great product in all their models. And to think $11,500 is only $1,500 away from the Sea-Dweller! That's when my brain starts to go numb! As far as Omega is concerned, I think I would feel more like a hypocrite if I kept any of their models, feeling the way I do. I attended the local Omega Boutique Christmas Party last night, and did have a wonderful time. Lots of people there I knew, including many guys from the Red Bar Vancouver group. But I did end up getting into a discussion with one of the associates, and he seemed incredulous that I even thought the new 007 model is overpriced. Of course, they have to stick up for Omega all the way, but the other associates I deal with are more realistic, and can actually see my point. And back to the Titanium discussion. My Oris ProPilot X, which had more than a couple years of considerable research and development, and is an amazing watch, all brushed titanium with special bracelet, and has an MSRP 2 grand less than the Seamaster 007. Yes, over 9 grand is a lot for an Oris, but the watch itself IMO is so worth the cost and has a tremendous value factor. My FOIS was $6100, although I did consider the fact that in a few short years it has gone up by 20%. Anyway, I am sure everyone has heard enough of my rants. Have a great weekend everyone! Cheers, Carl
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Post by muckymark on Dec 6, 2019 21:08:01 GMT -6
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Post by carl on Dec 6, 2019 23:11:01 GMT -6
Just took a look at it via your link. Even an adjustable clasp. Great diver, and great price!
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