watchgeek
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Post by watchgeek on May 29, 2018 9:04:45 GMT -6
Hi as anyone owning an alpanist experiencing -/+ time? Mine is +10spd is this good or bad. I'm a bit of a novice just starting out so not much experience with watch movements.
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Post by aquajoe on May 29, 2018 9:10:32 GMT -6
Hi as anyone owning an alpanist experiencing -/+ time? Mine is +10spd is this good or bad. I'm a bit of a novice just starting out so not much experience with watch movements. Welcome to WWF. Ten seconds per day is completely within tolerances for a Seiko Alpinist. |
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Post by watchgeek on May 29, 2018 9:18:07 GMT -6
I've only had it 4 month from new and I'd say I've worn it half that time. I'm not sure if watch movements need a bit of wearing in before they settle?
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Post by CHIP on May 29, 2018 9:53:07 GMT -6
Like Joe said, ten seconds a day is good for that particular watch, as I believe the Alpinist has a claimed deviation of 40 seconds a day. How you keep the watch when not wearing has a bigger influence on time. Crown down tends to gain time, crown up slows it down, flat on back or front tends to stay as it is. I believe muckymark has one, he can add a lot more than I can. |
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Post by Baco Noir on May 29, 2018 11:13:50 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum watchgeek!
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Post by muckymark on May 29, 2018 13:39:26 GMT -6
I have sold my Alpinist but those specs were similar to what I saw. I only wore it a few times a month so accuracy was not a concern.
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Post by watchgeek on May 29, 2018 15:26:50 GMT -6
I have a watch with a myota movement and it keeps better time.
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Post by CHIP on May 29, 2018 16:25:07 GMT -6
I have a watch with a myota movement and it keeps better time. The alpinist movement is a better movement though, and it can be adjusted to much better accuracy. If the watch is consistent, then it’s keeping good time. Or rather, it’s capable of keeping good time. If a watch is 40 seconds a day off, but it’s always 40 a day off, than you have an accurate watch that is running fast. I you have a watch that’s 40 seconds off one day, then fast 15, then slow 5, then fast 20 etc, you got a bad watch. Honestly ten seconds a day wouldn’t bother me a whole lot if it was part of a rotation, but it would annoy me if it was my daily. Luckily that’s easy to adjust. Any watchmaker can love that screw a bit and slow it down a little. It’s how Seiko saves money, as regulating over and over for the perfect result takes a lot of time and it has to be done by a human. Grand Seiko for example regulates and tests in six positions, which is something most of the brands don’t do. Very few go above five. However, then pass that cost on to you, but you end up with an accurate watch. See what a watchmaker would charge. You don’t need several temperatures and positions. Just open up, put on the machine, and read the BPH. Adjust to as close to that number as you can. I’d guess it’s less than 20 min for the whole ordeal. |
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Post by watchgeek on May 29, 2018 16:46:57 GMT -6
I have a watch with a myota movement and it keeps better time. The alpinist movement is a better movement though, and it can be adjusted to much better accuracy. If the watch is consistent, then it’s keeping good time. Or rather, it’s capable of keeping good time. If a watch is 40 seconds a day off, but it’s always 40 a day off, than you have an accurate watch that is running fast. I you have a watch that’s 40 seconds off one day, then fast 15, then slow 5, then fast 20 etc, you got a bad watch. Honestly ten seconds a day wouldn’t bother me a whole lot if it was part of a rotation, but it would annoy me if it was my daily. Luckily that’s easy to adjust. Any watchmaker can love that screw a bit and slow it down a little. It’s how Seiko saves money, as regulating over and over for the perfect result takes a lot of time and it has to be done by a human. Grand Seiko for example regulates and tests in six positions, which is something most of the brands don’t do. Very few go above five. However, then pass that cost on to you, but you end up with an accurate watch. See what a watchmaker would charge. You don’t need several temperatures and positions. Just open up, put on the machine, and read the BPH. Adjust to as close to that number as you can. I’d guess it’s less than 20 min for the whole ordeal. At the moment I'm testing in different positions. Ive had it on a winder and on the wrist.... atm it's crown up and still a consistent +10sd which I guess is well within the tolerance level and I guess in good working order I believe. |
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Post by CHIP on May 29, 2018 16:55:46 GMT -6
The alpinist movement is a better movement though, and it can be adjusted to much better accuracy. If the watch is consistent, then it’s keeping good time. Or rather, it’s capable of keeping good time. If a watch is 40 seconds a day off, but it’s always 40 a day off, than you have an accurate watch that is running fast. I you have a watch that’s 40 seconds off one day, then fast 15, then slow 5, then fast 20 etc, you got a bad watch. Honestly ten seconds a day wouldn’t bother me a whole lot if it was part of a rotation, but it would annoy me if it was my daily. Luckily that’s easy to adjust. Any watchmaker can love that screw a bit and slow it down a little. It’s how Seiko saves money, as regulating over and over for the perfect result takes a lot of time and it has to be done by a human. Grand Seiko for example regulates and tests in six positions, which is something most of the brands don’t do. Very few go above five. However, then pass that cost on to you, but you end up with an accurate watch. See what a watchmaker would charge. You don’t need several temperatures and positions. Just open up, put on the machine, and read the BPH. Adjust to as close to that number as you can. I’d guess it’s less than 20 min for the whole ordeal. At the moment I'm testing in different positions. Ive had it on a winder and on the wrist.... atm it's crown up and still a consistent +10sd which I guess is well within the tolerance level and I guess in good working order I believe. Honestly, it wouldn’t bother me at that price point. It’s still four times better than claimed, and a heck of a lot better than my (sold) Panerai 422, which is ten times the money. |
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Post by Baco Noir on May 29, 2018 19:11:26 GMT -6
10 spd isn’t bad at all. I mean that’s just over a minute per week or 5 minutes per month.
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Post by CHIP on May 30, 2018 10:26:33 GMT -6
10 spd isn’t bad at all. I mean that’s just over a minute per week or 5 minutes per month. My 422 had days when it would gain or lose five minutes lol. |
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Post by watchgeek on Jun 1, 2018 11:44:59 GMT -6
Could anyone send me a link to the official tolerance times set out by Seiko for their watch movements. I've scoured the net but to no avail.
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Post by Baco Noir on Jun 1, 2018 12:04:20 GMT -6
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Post by watchgeek on Jun 1, 2018 12:10:33 GMT -6
Thanks rogerfromco it's got good information about the movement. |
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