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Post by Nicko on May 14, 2014 16:53:00 GMT -6
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Post by rw16610 on May 16, 2014 15:39:38 GMT -6
Neat watch, it seems to be Ian's style for sure! I wonder what it's truly worth, lately I've noticed a lot of people on eBay really inflate the price for best offer listings. Likely a tactic to get what they truly want for the piece or something.
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Post by CHIP on May 16, 2014 15:47:45 GMT -6
Too cool.
I like it and I like the story.
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Post by Baco Noir on May 16, 2014 16:43:47 GMT -6
That is very cool! Company loyalty like that use to be common and is all but a thing of the past.
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Post by ianmedium on May 16, 2014 17:15:36 GMT -6
Steve, I love that one and actually its not a bad price for the 1/4 century model as it has the all important paper work with it. Love that style and love the 1/4 century history especially as that company is no longer in existence (least, not in western or pacific Canada.
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Post by vincent65 on May 20, 2014 5:09:06 GMT -6
That is very cool! Company loyalty like that use to be common and is all but a thing of the past. Yeah, because since the 80's, millions of loyal workers have been made redundant (and it still continues), and this changed the culture and attitude of the employees and workforce in general, I think. One begat the other, IMHO  |
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Post by Baco Noir on May 20, 2014 7:40:57 GMT -6
That is very cool! Company loyalty like that use to be common and is all but a thing of the past. Yeah, because since the 80's, millions of loyal workers have been made redundant (and it still continues), and this changed the culture and attitude of the employees and workforce in general, I think. One begat the other, IMHO Karl - that's what I meant but didn't say clearly. People use to be loyal to their employers and vice versa. IIRC, I believe one of the things that precipitated the change here in the US was pensions. Some corporate genius realized that if they laid off an employee (made redundant) the year before they would qualify to receive their pension, the company would no longer have that obligation on their balance sheet and save a ton of money. I believe that may have been the result of the beginning of the mergers and acquisition period. I recall seeing those news stories on the TV when I was young and being appalled. Back then there was no 401k and employees who had worked for 29 years for the same company were laid off and left with nothing but Social Security for retirement, which was never meant for full retirement, but instead as a supplemental. |
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Post by vincent65 on May 20, 2014 8:11:43 GMT -6
I agree Roger - awful practice. Now people hop around and are not so loyal, and rightfully so. My Dad worked for Unilever (BirdsEye Frozen Foods) for 27 years at the HO in Walton on Thames - was a real star (I know, I'm biased) - quickest promotion record in the company etc. Was great in sales/marketing/advertising (he even worked with and co-wrote a script for a 1/4 pounder burger ad with M. Ali). Last thing they made him do was this major new presentation to the board, then he was made redundant, directly afterwards. Literally patted him on the back and said he was the best (was always called upon to make speeches at events etc), and then dropped the bomb. Bastards.
Sorry to rant/offload or ruin the thread, folks!
Nice old watch, anyway!
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Post by vincent65 on May 20, 2014 8:42:59 GMT -6
here it is (burger ad!):
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Post by ianmedium on May 20, 2014 9:06:09 GMT -6
Karl and Roger, I am in complete agreement with you. Its all about profit and loss and making sure the loss does not effect shareholders or directors so the workers loyalty goes out the window and rightly so.
So many folks like your dad Karl towed the line, showed up, gave their best day after day and were promised a fair wage and pension at the end of it in return.
Now both of those have gone out of the window what is the incentive for a worker now? They know that at any movement the rug can and probably will be pulled from under their feet! Not for a good reason but for greed plain and simply.
Its the main reason I went self employed 15 years ago. If there was going to be an insecure future at least it would be of my doing and not someone else's so at least I would know its coming! Touch wood that has not happened and I can't say being self employed is the easiest route to take but at least I have a stronger say in my future doing it that way.
I simply do not trust the large employers any more, they have not shown themselves to be trustworthy and I simply do not understand their shortsightedness or the politicians in outsourcing labour. With no industry a country has nothing, it takes away its foundation and its a long way to fall for those at the top of the pile!
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Post by Nicko on May 20, 2014 10:05:13 GMT -6
I agree Roger - awful practice. Now people hop around and are not so loyal, and rightfully so. My Dad worked for Unilever (BirdsEye Frozen Foods) for 27 years at the HO in Walton on Thames - was a real star (I know, I'm biased) - quickest promotion record in the company etc. Was great in sales/marketing/advertising (he even worked with and co-wrote a script for a 1/4 pounder burger ad with M. Ali). Last thing they made him do was this major new presentation to the board, then he was made redundant, directly afterwards. Literally patted him on the back and said he was the best (was always called upon to make speeches at events etc), and then dropped the bomb. Bastards. Sorry to rant/offload or ruin the thread, folks! Nice old watch, anyway! Sorry Karl, I understand completely. Both my grandfather and father were lucky and started and retired in the same company–Pratt & Whitney–but that was then but it's so different nowadays. After retiring from the Navy in 2005 I went to work where I am today and I have had to scratch and fight for just about everything and have seen so many good people get sacked or quit simply because the refuse to work the ridiculous hours the company makes them work. Idiots at the helm and now that I am there steering the boat I don't like what I see. I'll be 49 this month and honestly I don't know where I'll be next year. |
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Post by vincent65 on May 20, 2014 13:15:37 GMT -6
Thanks Steve - yes it's the same everywhere now. Not very encouraging, but what can you do (apart from set up on your own, like Ian.
Hope all goes well, mate. Sorry to hi-jack thread.
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