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Post by ianmedium on Feb 13, 2014 13:15:24 GMT -6
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Post by CHIP on Feb 13, 2014 13:18:56 GMT -6
It's a 1907 waltham crescent street.
If anyone knows how to get to the movement please let me know. It's hinged right below the crown and I can't figure out how to flip it out.
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Post by ianmedium on Feb 13, 2014 13:25:21 GMT -6
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Post by ianmedium on Feb 13, 2014 13:28:48 GMT -6
scrolling down the second link you will see a case with a hinge below the crown stem. It says to pull out the crown to setting position and then swing out the movement. its 5 images down the page. I reckon thats what you have.
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Post by CHIP on Feb 13, 2014 13:30:24 GMT -6
Mine opens from the front. You unscrew the crystal and the dial/movement is hinged right below the crown. The back and the crown is one piece and it does not move.
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Post by CHIP on Feb 13, 2014 13:33:22 GMT -6
the crown on mine does not pull out. There is a little lever you pull, right by 1 o clock, to set the watch. You cannot move the movement or swing it out if the lever is pulled.
In the photo above, you can see the crown stem sticking out. I used to be able to just wiggle it about a bit and the movement would just open up.
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Post by carbon6 on Feb 13, 2014 13:35:35 GMT -6
Tag Thursday. Sent from my Moto X using ProBoards Attachments:
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Post by ianmedium on Feb 13, 2014 13:38:13 GMT -6
Ahh, OK, its lever set. Just found this on the NAWCC site.. "If the watch is lever-set, there'll be a small slot at the lever (pull the lever out when replacing the bezel - this ensures that it will fit over the lever properly). Finally, you'll find a small slot into which a fingernail will fit. Once you place your fingernail in the slot, slide it in either direction and the bezel should pop off. Resist the urge to pry with your fingernail, that might just lead to a broken nail." Its from this page, under the title " the movement comes out the front" mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Removing_A_Movement_From_A_Case
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Post by CHIP on Feb 13, 2014 13:40:47 GMT -6
This is what I have but I cannot get it to work.
Swing-out Case
Now pay attention, because the swing-out case is the trickiest of the bunch. These cases were also called "swing-ring" or "swinging ring" cases by their original manufacturer, the Crescent Watch Case Company. text
Crescent Watch Case Company ad for Swinging
Ring cases. Reproduced from Jewelers' Circular
Weekly and Horological Review, March 13, 1901.
Courtesy NAWCC Library.
More people damage their watches trying to open swing-ring cases than any other case style. That's because the watch movement is mounted in a ring which is hinged to the inside of the case body. The case body and back are made as one piece, so there is no separation between the case back and the case body. The swing-ring case was advertised as the most dust-proof and moisture-proof case of its time.
To open a swing-out case, you first remove the front bezel and crystal, which is almost always a screw-off front. Once the bezel is removed, you'll see that the movement mounting ring is hinged, usually at the 12:00 position (sometimes at the 3:00 as in the photos below). Often there's a little notch opposite the hinge where you can insert a thumbnail or case-knife to lift up the movement.
But here's where most folks get in trouble. The winding stem, which connects the winding knob (the crown) to the watch mechanism, is still engaged in the movement. If you attempt to swing the movement up and out of the case, you will feel resistance when you start bending the stem sideways. If you force it, as many people oddly seem to believe is the right way to proceed, you will almost certainly break the stem, and then you will no longer be able to wind or set the watch. To make it worse, when that happens, you'll be so upset that you won't notice the little broken stem part rolling around inside the case, and it will fall out and be lost, making it much more difficult for your watchmaker to reproduce the stem without being able to measure the broken pieces.
So the answer is simple: just be sure to pull the crown and stem out into the "setting position" before trying to swing-out the movement. Even if it's a lever-set watch, you'll be able to snap the crown out a notch if it's a swing-out case. And don't force anything! If you try to swing the movement out and it catches partway and doesn't want to come out, try wiggling and turning the winding crown a bit to see if it will come free. But if it doesn't open easily, don't force it or you'll break the stem.
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Post by katgirl on Feb 13, 2014 13:44:34 GMT -6
Ian, I have another one from 1891 enroute, just serviced. It's a Waltham, half hunter, also with a crescent Watch Co. Case. I also won a Victorian era ladies pocket watch Sterling Silver necklace chain, for a very reasonable sum. Now, I will have 2 different watches to wear on the chain..... Btw, I paid even less for the incoming watch, which I believe has a better quality movement, though I wouldn't swear to that.....
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Post by katgirl on Feb 13, 2014 13:48:30 GMT -6
Chip, that stinks. I still wonder how people work on these old movements. Where do they find parts?
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Post by ianmedium on Feb 13, 2014 13:53:57 GMT -6
Chip, I wonder if its frozen in there in that case? or, perhaps the crown is screw set. It might be worth dropping a line to Al and ask his advice as he is the real expert on these matters.
Kat I am excited to see the Waltham when it arrives, We both have watches in the mail made within a few years of each other on different sides of the pond! Waltham is a 1st grade brand as well. In fact the big American four, Elgin, Waltham, Hamilton and Illinois are exceptional watches.
I missed out on a lovely Sterling silver chain this week, just got pipped at the post. I think the most amazing thing is how popular pocket watch chains and fobs are, i had no idea!
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Post by ianmedium on Feb 13, 2014 13:55:25 GMT -6
Oh by the way, the guy in the video scares the whatnot out of me with the way he takes them apart!
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Post by CHIP on Feb 13, 2014 13:56:32 GMT -6
I figured it out. To be honest, I think I was doing it wrong in the past and I am glad I did not damage the movement or the winding stem.
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Post by katgirl on Feb 13, 2014 14:00:05 GMT -6
What amazes me is that I just bought an antique Sterling Silver pocket watch, freshly serviced, that works, for $76.00. Apparently I am the only potential buyer for such items....
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