Ben
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Post by Ben on Nov 15, 2007 19:26:37 GMT -6
Now you need to ask if that is the same company or was the name sold off? Longines is now under the Swatch umbrella. -Ben
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Post by Ben on Nov 15, 2007 19:28:10 GMT -6
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Post by truerolexer/trueradiomier on Nov 15, 2007 23:26:16 GMT -6
Now you need to ask if that is the same company or was the name sold off? Longines is now under the Swatch umbrella. -Ben Hmmm.....smell like OMEGA to me!!!
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Post by seanpiper on Nov 16, 2007 5:18:23 GMT -6
While the Hydroconquest range look nice, I personally would be waiting to see if there'r a few wrinkles to iron out first?? My concern with them (albeit not related to the rubber strap model) is that the steel bracelets have a very light, "tinny" feel about them. Somewhat similar to a mid-range Seiko. Also there seems to be a few quality control issues. Of the 12 models I received in-store... 4 had the buckle put on upside down. ?!?!?!
I'll wait and see on these me thinks :-)
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Post by tictoc on Nov 16, 2007 6:29:49 GMT -6
While the Hydroconquest range look nice, I personally would be waiting to see if there'r a few wrinkles to iron out first?? My concern with them (albeit not related to the rubber strap model) is that the steel bracelets have a very light, "tinny" feel about them. Somewhat similar to a mid-range Seiko. Also there seems to be a few quality control issues. Of the 12 models I received in-store... 4 had the buckle put on upside down. ?!?!?! I'll wait and see on these me thinks :-) Maybe the buckles were installed on the bands early Monday Morning (with a hangover from the weekend) or late Friday afternoon (falling asleep from a long week). ;D I did notice some black bezels on these watches, but those don't catch my eye like the all silver does.
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Post by CHIP on Nov 19, 2007 15:07:05 GMT -6
Given the dial arrangement and the date location, I am willing to bet that it is powered by an ETA2824 or ETA2892 with a Dubois-Depraz chronograph module. If that's the case, as I am about 99% sure, I would stay away from it. While reliable, and more than capable of chronometer accuracy, the module chronograph movements are very very expensive and difficult to service. They cost so much to service that most recommend a module replacement at time of service, as opposed to a service. I was told once that a regular service on those costs north of 600 dollars. Something I would obviously factor into my buying decision. The same movement is found in the Speedmaster Professional Reduced, some Breitling Navitimers (all the Automatic ones with the 3-6-9 arrangement and date at 4). The only other automatic watches that are sub 10k that have a native 3-6-9 arrangement are going to be the Omega 33xx powered watches, which all carry north of 4k MSRP, and the Zenith El Primero, which costs even more!
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Post by tictoc on Nov 20, 2007 6:11:01 GMT -6
Staying away from it.
Thanks all for the information.
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Post by tictoc on Nov 21, 2007 6:39:15 GMT -6
Deleted Pic of the watch to clear up my Photobucket account, being I won't be getting it now. Hope you all got your looks at it! ;D
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Post by truerolexer/trueradiomier on Nov 21, 2007 6:55:36 GMT -6
Mr. Tictoc (can I call you Mark?) do you like Seiko? I think Seiko is a good watch with a nice value too. Just my opinion. I wanna buy a Seiko 5 sport watch next moon. Good watch with really nice value.
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Ben
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Post by Ben on Nov 21, 2007 7:11:10 GMT -6
Well, I and everyone here certainly respect the watch choosing decisions that everyone makes, and as WIS's we just like watches. But, I don't think I'd eschew Longines because you think they might be "iffy."
Longines has been, and is, a very well respected brand. Even though they use ETA movements, I'd hardly put them into the "iffy" category. They make solid, robust, and reliable watch movements and it's quite difficult to find a quality-made watch under $3k that doesn't have one in it. They must be doing something right - inspite of what many "purists" prattle on about on several forums.
I quite like most of the Longines catalog. I really like the "Spirit" and am considering getting one. The "Grand Vittesse" series is nice and I think that, though expensive, that the "Lindburgh" is a very interesting watch. I think they've done a good job at developing a catalog with a lot of pieces that don't look like everything else. I admire that in a watch company and while SWATCH has a lot of companies under their corporate umbrella, you really don't see much overlap in watch designs.
I'm certainly not chastising you in any way. If a watch doesn't "speak" to you, then it's not for you.
Best, Ben
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Post by tictoc on Nov 21, 2007 7:13:07 GMT -6
Mr. Tictoc (can I call you Mark?) do you like Seiko? I think Seiko is a good watch with a nice value too. Just my opinion. I wanna buy a Seiko 5 sport watch next moon. Good watch with really nice value. I like Seiko's alot. I have been wearing Seiko's off and on for over 30 years now. The last watch I wore was the Seiko Orange Monster. The watch I wear now though is the Swiss Army Dive Master 500 Model #241041. Orange Face Black Rubber Strap Scratch Resistant Anti Reflective Sapphire Crystal Unidirectional Rotating Bezel (Bezel only turns one direction) Solid 316L Stainless Steel Case and Back Luminous Hands and Markers Screw-In Caseback Screw-Down Crown Date Magnifier directly over the Date on the face, not on the Sapphire Crystal Water Resistant to 500 Meters (1600ft) 43mm Case Diameter 22mm Lug Width Sure, I like Seiko's and I like to be called Mark!
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Post by truerolexer/trueradiomier on Nov 21, 2007 7:25:50 GMT -6
NIIIICEEEE!!!!!! 500 meters? Damn, it's deeper than my Sub!!! LOL!!! GREAT WATCH, Mark......the model look like Seiko Orange Monster to me!!! Best Regards, TR.
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Post by Archer on Nov 21, 2007 11:14:43 GMT -6
Given the dial arrangement and the date location, I am willing to bet that it is powered by an ETA2824 or ETA2892 with a Dubois-Depraz chronograph module. If that's the case, as I am about 99% sure, I would stay away from it. While reliable, and more than capable of chronometer accuracy, the module chronograph movements are very very expensive and difficult to service. They cost so much to service that most recommend a module replacement at time of service, as opposed to a service. I was told once that a regular service on those costs north of 600 dollars. Something I would obviously factor into my buying decision. The same movement is found in the Speedmaster Professional Reduced, some Breitling Navitimers (all the Automatic ones with the 3-6-9 arrangement and date at 4). The only other automatic watches that are sub 10k that have a native 3-6-9 arrangement are going to be the Omega 33xx powered watches, which all carry north of 4k MSRP, and the Zenith El Primero, which costs even more! Just noticed this post. I see Mark has already made up his mind, but I'd like to comment on the servicing issues Chip noted. Chronographs by nature are going to cost a lot to service, regardless if they are modular in design or not. I personally can't see any chronograph being serviced for much less (or maybe any less) than $600. Depending on the actual module used (DD or possibly ETA's own module) it's not really about being "difficult" to service, but being designed as "unserviceable." Many of these are rivited together, and not really designed to be serviced, although some have managed it by cleaning the entire module and then trying to re-oil it without taking it apart. If you look at the time and labour involved in trying to clean and oil such a module, and then find out it's worn to the point that parts may need replacing or adjusting - since it can't be taken apart easily then you end up replacing it anyway. These modules come oiled and adjusted right from the factory, and basically drop in place. To be honest if I had a watchmaker quote me something substantially less than $600 for a chronograph service (modular or not), I would seriously consider taking it somewhere else. I would be afraid that the service I'd be getting is a "One-Dip" service.......this is a solution that cleans and lubes a movement all in "one dip." Any watchmaker worth their salt would simply refuse this sort of technique but that doesn't mean it won't happen..... Bottom line for me is, it's not the fact that's it's modular that you need to consider in terms of servicing costs.....it's the fact it's a chronograph period. Cheers, Al
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Post by langnam on Nov 21, 2007 11:46:14 GMT -6
Years ago, I was quoted 2 prices by Breitling to clean and lube my Navitimer Premier. My choice was either $100 or $500, with $500 giving the watch a complete service. I had only brought the watch in to replace the crystal as it had a scratch that was bugging me to no end. Naturally, Breitling recommended the $500 service, but as the watch was barely out of warranty, I gave them a bunch of sh*t and told them it was ridiculous that the watch would need a full on service after a year plus! After my tirade and the threat of buying a Rolex afterwards, Breitling did the $500 service for $100. After reading Al's post, I wonder if I just got the dip service?
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