Some more Froogs.

[Warren]

[GMF]

You already have a white dial Alpha Explorer? What is your opinion of how it compares to the Zeno Exp?

[Sam]

Nice Warren! So is this the new lingo? Froogs! I like it.

[Warren]

gmf said:

You already have a white dial Alpha Explorer? What is your opinion of how it compares to the Zeno Exp?

It's actually a white MOP it just doesn't have much iradescence.

Well the Zeno is more of an homage to the early Explorers it has a painted dial and a domed acrylic crystal which I really like the looks of. The sides of the case have a smoother look to them, a subtle difference but noticeable. The Miyota movement in the Zeno is probably better quality than the Chinese Alpha but they both keep excellent time.
The Alpha bracelet is much better than the Zeno, better fit, finish and materials. The Alpha is pretty rugged too I've abused it quite a bit and it still looks good and runs well.
I like them both very much but for different reasons. I would have to rate the Alpha a better value though, you could easily buy two possibly three of them to the one Zeno

[mamas]

i also really like the look of your zeno exp 1.. the crystal looks amazing!
mamas

[mike]

I'm with Mamas,the crystal on the zeno is nice!!

[mamas]

Jon, froogs = frugal ;D

[Warren]

Jon, nice frogs!

[GMF]

wetowne said:

The Miyota movement in the Zeno is probably better quality than the Chinese Alpha but they both keep excellent time.

Based on the observations by a watchmaker given in this article, I'm not so sure about that.

[Warren]

gmf said:

wetowne said:

The Miyota movement in the Zeno is probably better quality than the Chinese Alpha but they both keep excellent time.

Based on the observations by a watchmaker given in this article, I'm not so sure about that.

It could be very well be a better movement. I said "probably" based on the fact that the 8215 has been around a long while and is manufactured and supported by Citizen. Who knows for sure which is best? Based upon my experience they seem to perform about the same. I would give the benefit of the doubt to the Miyota simply because it's made by a well known company. But I'm not qualified to say for sure one is better than the other. It's just a hunch.

[GMF]

There is (or was before the HD crash*) a very detailed article on the WUS Chinese Mechanical Watch forum about Chinese mechanical watch movements. The 21 jewel movements used in the Alphas (not the 27 jewel movt used in the GMT or the 35 jewel movt used in the Triple Date) are based on the Miyota movement. The Chinese did redesign the autowinding mechanism somewhat and added the hacking feature, but these movements are still very close cousins to the Miyota and earlier Citizen designs.

*Just as an aside, what kind of server admin never backs up the site database on a regular basis? When Ernie's server HD crashed it apparantly wiped out the entire WUS database all the way back to May of 2005. If the DB had been backed up to a removeable media on a weekly basis, the only info that would have been lost at most would have been the posts since the last backup. This is gross incompetence, or the result of someone trying to save money in the worst possible way (as far as running a high traffic interactive web site). JMO.

[GMF]

jon said:

gmf said:

*Just as an aside, what kind of server admin never backs up the site database on a regular basis? When Ernie's server HD crashed it apparantly wiped out the entire WUS database all the way back to May of 2005. If the DB had been backed up to a removeable media on a weekly basis, the only info that would have been lost at most would have been the posts since the last backup. This is gross incompetence, or the result of someone trying to save money in the worst possible way (as far as running a high traffic interactive web site). JMO.

I love people talking about things they really has no idea about at all. Why don't you ask Ernie insted of posting something like this here. I am sure Ernie would have told you what really happened, if you really cared to ask, instead of talking behind his back here

Jon

I was NOT talking behind Ernie's back. I'm assuming that Ernie is not the WUS server admin. I was trying to point out that Ernie has gotten HOSED by his server admin. If the server admin had been doing his job and backing up the WUS database, the damage from a HD crash could have minimal instead of TOTAL.

[Warren]

I think WUS is hosted by a web hosting service called Startmeup located in the Netherlands they are the ones who are responsible for site maintenance and backups. I think Ernie might want to look around for a new home for WUS.

[GMF]

jon said:

gmf said:

I was NOT talking behind Ernie's back. I'm assuming that Ernie is not the WUS server admin. I was trying to point out that Ernie has gotten HOSED by his server admin. If the server admin had been doing his job and backing up the WUS database, the damage from a HD crash could have minimal instead of TOTAL.

A lot of assuming I guess. How do you assume there is no backup

This is gross incompetence

I think this was really friendly of you, posting this on another forum when WUS has their problems to deal with

Yeah, whatever.

[GMF]

wetowne said:

I think WUS is hosted by a web hosting service called Startmeup located in the Netherlands they are the ones who are responsible for site maintenance and backups. I think Ernie might want to look around for a new home for WUS.

Yes, this was my point. I was not trashing Ernie or WUS.